Stargate books

[Malp am Stiel]

I am reading the Stargate books from Fandemonium (the publisher) at the moment. Perhaps anyone else has read them and likes to talk about it in english with me. I really do like this books because the characters are described more particularily than in the series. So for instance in Trial by fire form Sabine C. Bauer. Daniels ascension and the consequences for him are very detailled. He blames himself for not helping Jack in Abyss very much.
Also the describtions of the characters itself are more subtle.
Some books are written in easy english but Trial by fire f.i. is very dificult to read. I`ve also read every Stargate Atlantis book without Rising (because i have the DVDs) and Exogenesis. Can somebody tell me, if it is good?

[Malp am Stiel]

Heyho! Nobody there who reads Stargate? Do you think its trash?! Then you can`t watch Stargate, because the books are much better than the series.

For indecisives I like to write a few reviews:

Stargate SG-1 "A Matter of honor" and "The Cost of honor" by Sally Malcolm
The team visits a planet on wich they find the technology to save SG-10 from the Black hole (Episode "Matter of time", second season). But the people there do not want to trade the technology. Obsessed by the idea to save his friends, Jack steals the technology. Back home they got trouble with Kinsey who has his own intensions. Without telling anybody, not even Hammond, they start for a mission to the fortress of Ba`al (from the Episode "Abyss"), in which they hope to find the second part of technology that is needed for the rescue.

Nice conspiracy that comes out in the second part of the story (book two). Kinsey is an ass even worse than in the series and Hammond doubts of Jack O`Neill. The characters are much more difficile written in all books I ever read (Books 1-7 of SG-1 and books 2-4 of Atlantis). I can`t lay the books aside because they were that thrilling. I read it in a few days.

"Siren Song" by Holly Scott and Jamie Duncan

This book is written for everyone who wants to see somebody of Sg-1 as a Goa`uld. And for those who like Goa-Stories and like to know about the things going on in ones head if a Goa`uld took him. Also there are funny To`kra-Stories in this book, because Jacob/Selmak talk to each other. This parts can`t be pictured by the TV series. You can only read it. I think, this story is one, that can only be in written form, but was also a lost potential of the series.

Here the link to amazon, if somebody likes to look into some of the books:

Stargate-books in english

[Lorien]

Sorry, I didn't found the thread.

I've read all the books of Stargate Atlantis! And now I collect the books from Stargate SG-1. I like them really much, because - how you had wrote - the characters are much better described. And I like it much to read the thoughts of the persons - this is something they can't really show on the screen.

I had to say: I really, really love reading. I have so much books that they stand in two lines in the shelves of my room - most of them Science Fiction and Fantasy. So it was a must to buy the books from Stargate. But only during the last year I discovered the possibility to get books (which are never printed in German) in English by amazon. But now it's a very good chance to train my English skills.

At the moment I like most the Stargate Atlantis book "Reliquary". I think it has many good scenes betwenn Rodney and Sheppard. I've also read "Exogenesis". It's quite okay. But have you seen the momentary prize at amazon?!?! Luckily I get my book before they rise the prize. If you want a short description: http://stargate-project.de/stargate/...?t=4547&page=5 Look at answer #87. If you want more (and in English ) tell me here.

From Stargate SG-1 I've already read "Sacrifice Moon" and "Siren Song". Really good. Especially "Siren Song". I like this book and the scenes between Jack and Daniel. And the conflict in Daniel after... you know. Your description about "Trial by Fire" sounds very interessting. I think I will buy it the next time.

Now I'm waiting for three more books I ordered at amazon. Including the new Stargate Atlantis book. I hope they will come at the end of this week or in the next week. Luckily I have holidays (but with homework ), so I hope I will have much time for reading.

I'm very interested in discussing, if you want.

[Malp am Stiel]

Hey, thats cool! At least somebody who reads the books Thats fine! I already have the next one here - "Survival of the fittest" and I will read it next week when I have a 5 hours ride on a bus to Hamburg *g*. When I am back, I can tell you what it was like. I also have orderd "Alliances" and "Exogenesis" at amazon, but not direktly but at a seller, so it was cheaper.

Which part of "Siren Song" did you like most?

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I liked most the scenes with Daniel, when he tries to took his body back, but I had little problems to understand the end. Does SG-1 destroy this creature with a grenade? Or is it still alive? Why where there these strange feelings about the team, these of which Daniel could manage to fight against Sebek? Might be a little bit opaque, but still really good. The last scene with Daniel and Jack was superb, when Daniel says: "Can you forget?" and Jack: "Forget what?" *gee*

I also think, it is good that in the novels the authors write more about the Jack/Daniel-Relationship after Daniel remembers what happend at Ba`als fortress. (This scene is in "Trial by fire" but all the books refer on it.)

[Lorien]

Yeah... "Suvival of the fittest" is already ordered at amazon. The waiting is really hard, but I have to wait until the date of publication for "Entanglement". I've also ordered "City of Gods". You said "A Matter of Honor" is also good, so I think it will be also on my wishlist (both parts). Unfortuntately I'm in Graz (Austria) at the moment so the books are a little bit more expensive.

To "Siren Song":

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I also like most the scenes with Daniel. When he is captured inside his own body and had to watch what Sebek does. And when he tried to convince Jack that it is him and not the Goa'uld. I think they destroy the most of the maschine with this grenade, but maybe there is somewhere a storage where parts of Lorelei could have survived.

Yeah, the last scene is really good. I like also the part before, where Daniel said he hates the gaps in his mind. It's so much like him. It's the other way Jack would do. They are a good team. I really missed Daniel during the 6th season.

And now I'm more interested about "Trail by Fire". To read Daniels reaction when he remembers.

[Malp am Stiel]

Then we could talk about "Trial by Fire" when you read it. And when we both read "Survival of the fittest". I am mostly very fast, because when I beginn one of the books, I can`t stop until its over *g*

"Entanglement" and "Roswell" (the new SG-1 will be published in May) are on my wishlist, but I will order them when they are avaliable. The two books (part one and two) are really really good, the best I read, I think.

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Siren Song is a bit unlikely, but that`s Sci-Fi. On Tv they could not have implement this story, don`t they? What dou you think? There are too many feelings an thoughts and not enough action for an episode on TV. But this is what the book is about.

I think the scene in one of the last chapters before Jack, Aris and Sebek/Daniel go into the cave, where Daniel fights obviously with Sebek is very cool. First Sebek speaking and the Daniel. I could really imagine this scene. And the ones after they are out of the cave on the boat and Daniel lies in Jacks arms - very sweet, I thought.

I think, Jacks jokes and sayings are also very funny in the books. I remember just one: "I stopped listening, when I realized that you are talking". I think its from "A Matter of honor"

"Sacrifice Moon" - this was the worst of all the books. Not terrible but not that good like the others. Sam and Daniel as killing-machines - Naaaah! And Sam as Children-killer (don`t know if this is correct english ) - never! Another acrid Goa`uld but no really nice intrigue or conspiracy.
The story with the bonds on ther heads with scorebords to wich fracton (good or bad) they belong is a bit like the Star Trek Episode "The Gamesters of Triskelion".
The End was okay, but the book was also very short, so no long fun *g* What do you think about it?

I read SG Atlantis books "Reliquary", "The Cosen" and "Halcyon". Perhabs, we can talk about them tomorrow, when I got a bit of sleep
Reliquary was "Conversion"-like, but still very nice Icky Shep

[Lorien]

It was a bad idea to start talking about this book , because now I've also ordered "Trial by Fire" and the both "Honor"-books. Not so good for my moneybag. Luckily this three books are not so expensive and maybe I'm strong enough not to buy so much books during the next months. (That would be really, really hard. ) Most times I'm also fast with reading. I also read to much during times when I had a lot to do for university. When the book is good I had to read it until it's finished. During school I lost a lot of sleep because of this.

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Siren Song:
I see it in the same way. And I like such books as a completion to the stories on TV. With so much "thinking moments" there is in my opinion no chance to do this on screen. It would lost to much. Especially the scenes inside Daniels mind. There must not be so much action in a good book when it's written in a good way.
I like the most of the scenes between Daniel and Jack. It shows a lot about their relationship. And I like the moment when Aris saw the interaction between the both and how they understand each other with only a few words or looks. And yeah, the scenes when Daniel is injured and Jack takes care of him are quite good.

Sacrifice Moon:
Yeah, the book was really short. For me books must have as much pages as possible. The book was not sooo... bad, but it will not become my favourite one. I think there were also some really good scenes between Jack and Daniel. How Jack changed his view about Daniel since their first meeting (in the film). I had to laugh about the scene when Carter asked Daniel about Jack and he had to told her that he only know him a short time longer and that it's not usual for Jack to told something about himself.
You ever read the book to the film? I only have the german version. But this book was the reason that I want to see the movie and later that I start to see Stargate on TV.
But you are right. Sam's behaviour was a little awsome. Maybe I've seen this Star Trek episode, but I don't know the English titles and it's a long time ago.

It's a good idea to save some books for another day. I also had to go to bed now.

[Malp am Stiel]

The German Title is "Meister der Sklaven" and I mean the original Series.
And no, I didn`t read the original Stargate book. Is ist avaliable at amazon?
I`m buying allways at the beginnig of a month and then, at the end, I have not much money, but thats obvious

Wow! I am really tired today. It was a short night, but I can`t await to write something here:

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Sacrifice Moon:
The story takes place short after the pilot episode. That is the problem. Perhaps the characters are described too exact and they know each other too good as it could be possible for the first year. And I think for the author it is difficult to write such a book, when you already watched nine seasons

The scenes between Jack and Daniel are good in the book. Their relationship is much more important in all boks than in the series.

I`m sorry Lorien, I really have to go to school now, but I will be back in the afternoon! CU then! Bye!
Malp on a stick

[Lorien]

The original book is (more or less) avilable at amazon. Look here: http://http://www.amazon.de/Stargate...174637&sr=1-15 There is only one review, but I think it's nearly the same I would say about the book.

Every time I say to myself, no mroe than one or two books a month, but for this I had to stay away from book stores. It's not so easy when a really good one is on my way to the university. And I like it to inform me about new and maybe interessting books. I'm also a member of the next public library in the cities I live a little bit longer ( okay... at this time: only two different cities). It's a good way to save some money, but they don't have the Stargate books.

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Sacrifice Moon:
I think you're right with your critic about that they are to close to each other for this short time after the pilot. The writer should have shown - in my opinion - more about how they learn from each other and how they find together to this good team we know from the later seasons.

The scenes between Jack and Daniel are good in the book. Their relationship is much more important in all books than in the series.

That's what I like so much about the books.
Yeah, maybe I should confess (I'm sure you already know it ) I'm also an absolut Daniel-fan.

Reliqary:
Again, you're right. I had also strong memories to Conversion when I had read the book. But nevertheless I like the story much. And especially the scenes between Rodney and John. I like the part when John starts getting sick and Rodney is afraid of him. "What's wrong? Did he shot you? You should have mentioned it earlier. Rugged stoicism has its place in these situations, but..." And so on. It shows really good that Rodney not only cares about himself.

[iolanda]

Hm, how should I begin.
I do not have loads of time. At the moment, yes, but thats mainly because its holiday. And I love to read. Life is to short for bad books. And now it comes to you:

Can you recommend me some real good english Stargate books? When I was a hardcore Trekkie ages ago I read lots of Star Trek novels, but to be honest - most of them were crap. Written for fans, not for real readers.
What I would love would be a thrillig story. Good in-character descriptions. Intelligent plots. And maybe even a start to find good Novel-writers by myself.

[Lorien]

Yieppie!!!! I got the next Stargate books today. Now I have also "Trial by Fire", "A Matter of Honor" and "The Cost of Honor". I've already started with "Trial by Fire".

[Malp am Stiel]

You lucky girl! I though my books would arrive today but there was no post today for me I hope they will arrive tomorrow.
When you read it, we can talk about the books.

[Lorien]

Today I went also to the post to send you "Rising". I hope it will be by you on Thursday but the postman said this isn't sure. You will see. Normally letters need two days from Austria to Germany. And I also got a package in two days.

But I'm sure at the latest after eastern we will have a lot more to talk about.

[Malp am Stiel]

Yes, we will! Thank you for sending me the book! But its not so bad if it arrives on Tuesday, because I have another book to read

And I also have to write an application during the easter holidays, so perhaps I will not have very much time.

[Lorien]

Oh no....... At the moment I'm reading four books. Two books from the library which I have to gave back soon and two SG-1 books. First I start with "Trial by Fire", but the day after I got "Survival of the fittest" and I looked on some pages and found it so interesting that I must have started with reading.

So it will last a little bit longer until we can continue our diskussion.

[Malp am Stiel]

That's no problem. You know, I'm reading 3 books simultaneously AND I have to watch myself throu two Seasons of a very very nice series
Thank you for Rising by the way (I mean the book ). I'm all but through reading it but I got a little problem with the time. I think, I'll be ready next Weekend.
I began reading "Survival of the fittest" but now I first will watch my Episodes (need my drugs) then I continue with Rising (the german novel "Flaschendrehen" is so boring that I think I sell it on amazon or put it into my bookshelf) and then I read "Survival).

[iolanda]

Sooo, finally I started with Siren song! Up to now its already very good. Daniel just started to translate something. And it has got something to do with Easter.

[Malp am Stiel]

Sooo, finally I started with Siren song! Up to now its already very good. Daniel just started to translate something. And it has got something to do with Easter.

Oh! *g* Then you will still have a lot to read.
I have no time to read at the moment. I got two new books but I didn't started one of the three and yesterday I bought "Everyone worth knowing" by Lauren Weisberger in the german Version (it crossed my way accidentally ). But I have to learn for my tests this and next week at first, then I will be able to read again.

[iolanda]

School started again and so I do not have lots of time to read as well. But its quite some good reading. Though I have to admit that Thud! from Terry Pratchett was ways funnier ;-)

[iolanda]

I am finished with Siren Song!

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That was indeed a good book. I liked the way the author implemented lots of scenes and incidents from the series, this rounded the story very well.

I did not like the whole Lorelei - idea. Or maybe better: I did not understand the connection between Lorelei and the Easter islands. Maybe these connection is so unbelieveable for me because of the Rock named Loreley about 40 km from here.

Another point I had my problems with: at which point did Sebeck die? There was this grenade. Shouldn't Daniel have been dead as well, he was so close, that the finger of Sebek (Lorelei) were mere inches from his face. I guess Sam threw the grenade next to the thing Jack said to be "the brain", so that it wasn't the cyborg but its kind-a-processer which was destroyed. But then both must have been dead/ destroyed, and then the references later in the book, concerning Aris and reacquireing the knowledge from Lorelei were ununderstandable. (Reredeang the spoiler tags I just saw that Malp am Stiel had the same problem)

Aris Boch. I didn't like him in the episode and that didn't change along this book. Guess ist because he was written this way. But breaking Jacks finger in the first just to forche Daniel into working showd his true conscienceless mind, so the develpopment and motives added later couldn't convince me into "he just did it all for his son and his planet". There were other ways.

The scenes between Daniel and Jack were great, also the scenes between Daniels body and Daniels mind. I never figured out how to get into certain parts of the own body.

The discussion between Selmak and Jacob were also good, but I do not think that they have to talk to each other loud. This would be some crazy version of dissociative identity disorder.

*started "A Matter of Honour"*